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/**** FOLLOWING IS AN ORIGINAL POST POSTED TO THE INERNET NEWSGROUP
MISC.FORESALE April 3, 1993

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From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:32:08 EST 1993

We offer the raw material on the following terms:

1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury

2. Quantity : 100 kg or more

3. Price : 10000 $ per kg

4. Delivery terms : By airplane ; IF the point of destination is in the
CIS at the expense of seller,than - at the expense of buyer.

5. Form of payment : every form

6. Payment terms : advance payment 100%

discussion on terms may be

adress : Firm "FLORIS", 39, Kpasnoarmeyskaya, Chelyabinsk, Russia, 454006
tel in Chelyabinsk : 66-54-09,33-16-69
fax 66-54-18
modem 66-54-01
adress in RELCOM [email protected]


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From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:32:20 EST 1993

In article [email protected] writes:
>We offer the raw material on the following terms:
>
>1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury

Is this stuff really legal to sell???? I mean, come on guys, red mercury is
used to make nuclear weapons!!!

>2. Quantity : 100 kg or more
>
>3. Price : 10000 $ per kg

The price looks a little low though, from what I have heard...

>6. Payment terms : advance payment 100%

Also rather dangerous -- it is easy to be sold something that looks like
red mercury, but you have to have a lab check it out before you will know
if it is really red mercury. To fork over $1mil for some red dirt would be
a _very_ expensive mistake.



Disclaimer: I'm not a nuclear weapons specialist, but have been following
the 'red mercury' thing a little bit.

Chris


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From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:32:31 EST 1993

In article [email protected] (Chris Kalisiak) writes:
>In article [email protected] writes:
>>We offer the raw material on the following terms:
>>
>>1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury
>
>>2. Quantity : 100 kg or more
>>
>>3. Price : 10000 $ per kg
>
>The price looks a little low though, from what I have heard...
>
Hmmm.. Lesse.. Lamborghini Diablo and a house, or some chemicals...
I dont know, guys.. what da ya think?
-pc
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From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:32:42 EST 1993

In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Pong Chang) writes:
>In article [email protected] (Chris Kalisiak) writes:
>>In article [email protected] writes:
>>>We offer the raw material on the following terms:
>>>
>>>1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury

[Stuff about making _nuclear weapons_ conveniently cut out...]

>>>2. Quantity : 100 kg or more
>>>
>>>3. Price : 10000 $ per kg
>>
>>The price looks a little low though, from what I have heard...
>>
>Hmmm.. Lesse.. Lamborghini Diablo and a house, or some chemicals...
>I dont know, guys.. what da ya think?

You seem to miss my point. If it is in fact red mercury, then any
idiot in Libya or Iraq or [fill in the name of a country with a madman
as the leader] would _love_ to get their hands on it, regardless of
the cost.


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Chris Kalisiak | "Pound for pound, lame puns are your best
[email protected] | entertainment value." -- Gogo Dodo, Tiny Toons
[email protected]| "Stimpy, your wealth of ignorance astounds me."
[email protected] | -- Ren Hoek, Ren and Stimpy


From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:32:55 EST 1993


>>>>
>>>>1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury
>
>[Stuff about making _nuclear weapons_ conveniently cut out...]
>

>
>You seem to miss my point. If it is in fact red mercury, then any
>idiot in Libya or Iraq or [fill in the name of a country with a madman
>as the leader] would _love_ to get their hands on it, regardless of
>the cost.
>
Still....not much you can do with it w/o fissable material.
-Harry


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From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:33:07 EST 1993

>>In article [email protected] writes:
>>>We offer the raw material on the following terms:
>>>
>>>1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury
>>
>>>2. Quantity : 100 kg or more
>>>
>>>3. Price : 10000 $ per kg
>>
>>The price looks a little low though, from what I have heard...
>>

I hope the Discovery Channel re-runs their "Hunt for Red Mercury"
special. Excellent expose on the red mercury scam going on inside Russia.
There are plenty of nuts in the world with lots of money who think red
mercury is answer to their nuclear weapons development "prayers".

The market demand is so great, that Russians who have access to this stuff
are getting rich peddling it. The special didn't answer whether red
mercury actually can replace tritium or plutonium in a bomb. There are enough
people who think it can, so it has taken on a life of its own...sort of
a nuclear-age alchemy.


From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:50:37 EST 1993

> In article [email protected] writes:
> >We offer the raw material on the following terms:
> >
> >1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury
>
> Is this stuff really legal to sell???? I mean, come on guys, red mercury is
> used to make nuclear weapons!!!

Huh? In what way is mercury the choke point for denying access to
nuclear weapons technology? I can't think of any nuclear bomb part
which requires mercury.

> >2. Quantity : 100 kg or more
> >
> >3. Price : 10000 $ per kg
>
> The price looks a little low though, from what I have heard...

Ten grand per kilo? I don't know what the going price is, but that
sounds incredibly expensive to me. I remember my dad letting me hold
a plastic bottle with about 250 ml of liquid mercury. I was amazed
how heavy it was. Now, assuming liquid metal mercury can be easily
oxidized, that bottle should have had enough mercury to make a kilo
or two of mercuric oxide. Was that bottle worth anywhere near to $10K?
It was sitting in the cabinet of a high school chemistry lab.


From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:50:53 EST 1993

In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
>> In article [email protected] writes:

>> >1. Name of raw material : oxide of mercury
>> used to make nuclear weapons!!!
>

>nuclear weapons technology? I can't think of any nuclear bomb part
>which requires mercury.

That's why you don't make them.
Red Mercury is use in some fashion in one of the processes associated
with nuclear weapons... Discover Channel did a show on it a while back.
Whether this is indeed that Red Mercury...????

>Ten grand per kilo? I don't know what the going price is, but that
>sounds incredibly expensive to me. I remember my dad letting me hold
>a plastic bottle with about 250 ml of liquid mercury. I was amazed
>how heavy it was. Now, assuming liquid metal mercury can be easily
>oxidized, that bottle should have had enough mercury to make a kilo
>or two of mercuric oxide. Was that bottle worth anywhere near to $10K?
>It was sitting in the cabinet of a high school chemistry lab.

I really hope that this character is not THAT dumb.

Aduuuuh.... My dad gave let me hold a pencil once....so Diamonds should
be real cheap right???? Durrrrr....

Get a Clue ok.
Do you Really think that they'd be trying to sell it, if it wasn't worth
some large fraction of that price? They are (were) communists, not morons.

-Harry
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From [email protected] Sat Apr 3 13:51:06 EST 1993

>
>> >2. Quantity : 100 kg or more
>> >
>> >3. Price : 10000 $ per kg
>>
>> The price looks a little low though, from what I have heard...
>
>Ten grand per kilo? I don't know what the going price is, but that
>sounds incredibly expensive to me. I remember my dad letting me hold
>a plastic bottle with about 250 ml of liquid mercury. I was amazed
>how heavy it was. Now, assuming liquid metal mercury can be easily
>oxidized, that bottle should have had enough mercury to make a kilo
>or two of mercuric oxide. Was that bottle worth anywhere near to $10K?
>It was sitting in the cabinet of a high school chemistry lab.

You don't quite understand what red mercury is. What you saw in that bottle
was the same stuff you see in thermometers, etc.
Red mercury is a bit different. The less you know about it, the better 🙂
The bottom line, as far as I know, is that it's used for detonator fuses in
nuclear weapons. Apparently there's quite a market for it in Russia. People
actually kill each other, since $10000 equals about 800 months salary
of middle class working stiff.
Another slice of advise: Do not deal with russian entreprenures on the net.
They are most likely some shady middle men. A person does not get simultaneous
access to the net and red mercury in the old country 🙂
Mike.S


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