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What follows is a direct transcript used with permission, of an
interview I conducted with John Lear, author of Lear.txt in the files
section. Hopefully, this interview will answer some of your questions as
well as some of mine.

Brad Langton 02-Feb-88 approx. 1:30AM to 3:30AM


Ok, we're "live" so to speak... you just mentioned that
there were 70 other species in contact with this world... of which 4 others
were overt...are they aware of the EBE's?

Yes they are. The types I will mention are listed in a USAF
Academy Physics book called Introductory Space Science Volume 2. I refer
to Chapter 13 about page 8 which lists the ones that are most seen. They
are the EBE's the "blondes". (also called the Nordics). They look just like
us but are invariably blonde haired and blue eyed. Don't know where they
come from but they do not interact with us except for a few abductions now
and then.

We also have a species that is similar to us in appearance
but they are about 7 ft tall and the main difference is that their eyes
wrap around the head a little more than ours. Another type listed is a
small species about 4 ft. tall, very hairy and extremely strong for their
size. We don't know where these guys come from either. All this was in
the aforementioned text which was withdrawn by the Air Force in the early
70's from the book. But there are several people that have the original
book. The EBE's are about the only ones where we are pretty sure where
they come from and that is Zeta Reticuli 1 & 2, a binary star system
visible only from the southern hemisphere, spectral class of G 2 and 38
light years from here. It is possible that they use some form of the
Einstein Rosen Bridge theory (wormholes in space) to get here. We know all
this from the work that Marjorie Fish did in the in the early 70's. There
is a good article about it in Astronomy Magazine Dec 1974. There was also
a reprint of this article in 1976 which had all the comments and rebuttals
and rebuttals to rebuttals by Carl Sagan, Bob Schaefer etc etc.

I remember reading about the characterizations of ET's
that you have described about 25 years ago. I also recall a book by a
George Adamski or Adamson... not sure which, regarding these golden haired
aliens. In the Interrupted Journey, I believe it was Betty Hill that under
hypnosis revealed many of the invasive techniques used on abductees. Also,
Perhaps it was in the article on the Zeti Reticuli Incident that a woman
under hypnosis reconstructed a 3D model of the Zeta Star system with the
relative positions of the other stars as they would have appeared as
established by computer modeling. I guess one of the primary questions is,
if there are other forms visiting and/or interacting with humans, are they
completely insensitive to these "arrangements" put out by the EBE's with
the government?

This may be hard to swallow but its my information from
government sources that the blondes adhere to a universal law of non-
interference and even though the EBE's are not doing us any favors that
they, the Blondes will not do anything about it unless the EBE's do
something that will affect another part of the universe. Back to Adamski.
He has been labeled as a fraud however like all things nothing is all black
or all white. Some of his stuff was true. But its hard to separate which
stuff. He claimed that the Blondes came from Venus or Mars which is
highly, highly unlikely. As far as the map it was drawn by Betty Hill
under hypnosis in 2 D. It was Majorie Fish that did the interpretation to
bring it into 3 D.

I was uncertain about who exactly was the originator of
the map, so I gather that the map must necessarily be a matter of
speculation regarding its veracity as well. I'm curious also as to the
government's plans, if any, to deal with an uprising of EBEs should that
eventuality occur... or would the technological gap make such an attempt
untenable.

It's my understanding that we have already lost the battle.
This is the reason why MJ-12 is in such a panic. They had a lot of well
laid plans to inform us etc. etc. and when the deception was confirmed
about 1984 it was all out the window. Back to Betty Hill for a
minute...under hypnosis she recalled being given a pregnancy test...a
needle was inserted in her stomach. She recalls saying that this was no
pregnancy test here on earth (1962)

Amniocentesis was developed around 1972-1973 and uses the
exact same procedures. In 1986 a British doctor had given an amniocentesis
to a woman and was looking at the fluid under a microscope. He saw a tiny
speck and started enlarging it. When he got it big enough to see what he
found was what looked like a computer chip attached to one of the
chromosomes. This doctor and 6 others wrote an open letter in Nature
Magazine, one of Britains' most respected scientific journals, along with a
picture of the chip, and asked any doctor or scientist anywhere that could
held explain what they were seeing. If you do not have a copy of this
page, I can send it to you.

That would be helpful. Also the Vol, issue, date etc.
Recently in the INF treaty negotiations, Gorbachev indicated that despite
prior claims, they too were working on an SDI program... Is there any
connection between our program and theirs and if the battle is lost, why
are these attempts being made?

I wish I knew the answer to that. Several rumors have come
out of the test site recently and one of them was that every test shot this
year has been to make a giant room. The shots are very clean and as soon
as everything subsides they move in equipment to make walls, ceiling,

floors and various levels.

Several critics have highlighted the apparent
discrepancies between our medical technology and that of the EBEs as to
synthesizing plasma material. Also, technological gaps between our
cultures suggest that solicitation of indigenous humans for their
undertakings seems akin to asking help from chimpanzees... my analogy...
what about these concerns?

All of these questions are valid and show a lot of thought.
All I know is what I wrote. Its very hard to speculate the reasons why or
why not a species almost a billion years older than us would do anything.
This is not a cop-out...I just don't know and don't want to guess.

Given that material that you have access to is ambiguous
on some of these issue and that there may be a hidden agenda on the part of
the EBEs regarding the purposes for their being here, is it not also
possible that, assuming there is a "truth" here, which I'm sure you
understand, must remain unsubstantiated in the absence of hard data, that
the government may also, unknown to you or perhaps others "in the know," a
failsafe mechanism to undermine this whole EBE project if the need should
arise?

Its my understanding from those 'in the know;' (and as late
as one week ago) that the situation is 'ominous'.


<<< LONG PAUSE >>>


Please understand my pauses... have to consider the next
question...

Ok, meantime looking for the date and issue of Nature.

I recall now, one of my users requested information on
the "Roswell Incident" and if it were in any way tied to any of this?

Yes, the Roswell crash was the first recovered flying saucer
crash in the U.S. Bill Moore located 90 material witnesses to the crash.
It was near Corona, N.M. and a few months ago I interviewed Mrs. Procter
near whose ranch this thing crashed. 4 bodies were recovered. There is
one person still alive at this moment who helped Mac Brazel drag some of
the wreckage to the shed. He and Brazel were approached at that time by (I
know its hard to believe but the guy is going to come forward soon) an
alien who told them both to keep their mouths shut. He is the last guy
alive that was directly connected with that retrieval.

Are you saying that the others involved were murdered?

No. No. They have just passed away. That was a long time
ago. The last guy to die was Maj. Jesse Marcel, The intelligence officer
at Roswell who went out and helped pick up the wreckage. Before he died a
few years ago he went public with his account which was that the crash was
not a balloon or a radar reflector or an airplane. He didn't state what
it was, but said it was not of this earth. I have a transcript of the
cassette tape of his memories of picking up the wreckage, its only a page
long if you would like me to send that.

Of course, any information you have will be helpful...
What of yourself, why are you coming forward now, particularly placing the
spotlight on yourself... aren't you concerned that there may be some sort
of repercussions from the government regarding the stir this is and will
continue to cause?

Hopefully the spotlight will be on the information and not
on myself. No there is not too much worry because, well let me say that 5
years ago I wouldn't have gotten away with this but things are so screwed
up now that one voice talking to...what 50? 100? people can't make any
possible difference. Also if something was going to happen it would have
happened a few weeks ago. I wrote Dr. Lew Allen, Director of JPL and MJ-12
member that I was going to do a story on his participation in MJ-12
particularly because JPL employed 8000 people in the Southern California
area. I also enclosed a copy of my hypothesis and told him it was on
ParaNet and CompuServe. Dr. Allen has a reputation of responding to all
mail in a very prompt manner. But me? I didn't hear anything. Not even a
"John Lear you must be crazy." He wrote a letter to Max Fiebleman of Los
Angeles on the 18th of December. Max had sent him a copy of the Hudson
Valley video and asked Dr. Allen to look at it. Dr. Allen responded that
he had taken a quick glance but did not have the time for anything more and
on the basis of what he saw determined that it was a blimp. He also wished
Max a Merry Christmas. Now......this is one of the worlds greatest
scientists? Not interested in that Hudson Valley video tape?

Gimme a break.

There are certainly a lot of inconsistencies seemingly
from everywhere on this issue. As you know, Jim Speiser and ParaNet are
often published in some form, usually a quote from Jim, in the major
UFOlogy magazines... I would suspect that this matter will be reaching a
lot more people than just those of us here in the BBS community. What of
the future...can we expect more information, hard or soft evidence that
will help align the apparent inconsistencies or at best, give a more
cohesive picture of some of the answers to questions that your original
release has raised?

I would be very surprised if some kind of statement from the
government is not forthcoming within the year, more probably within 6
months possibly much sooner... That's about all I can speculate from the
information I am getting.

Well, you can be assured that we will be continuing to
watch these developments should they occur. Last year there was a similar
promise of major information by year's end... you got in just under the
wire but the other information was not this information, at least not
necessarily as coming from you. Time is running short for me here and I
want to thank you for incurring the phone bill for this interview but I
think it is important that we try to get as many answers on this as
possible. Do you have any closing statements that you would like to make
at this time?

Just to thank you for your time and I will be sending you
the aforementioned documents etc.

Thank you very much John, your participation will no
doubt add a level of credibility to your desire to spare little expense in
helping us find the truth about all this.

Thanks again, and talk to you later.


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