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Subject: HCI Agenda - whole 1/9
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This message was originally addressed to ALL
and a blind carbon copy was sent to you.
This is a copy of the HCI 5 Year Agenda in whole including cover/distribution
sheet. I am not aware of all the listed recipients and if you have any
information about any of them, please send me private mail.


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cc: Richard Aborn
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Stamped Received
Signed 12/30/93

[cover page]


Notes and Minutes form Meeting of Friday, December 17, 1993
Rough Draft Proposal for Internal Memo and Five Year Plan

cc: Distribution

White House Meetings:

It was decided to forward the following to the national office for
reference. A series of brainstorming meetings will be held at the White
House through Winter 1994. All suggestions should be collated and
delivered to out policy team by them.
A series of fundraisers should be organized for local political allies
through the spring of 1994, the details will be outlined in an attached
memo. We should have a stronger presence at Anna Eshoo's fund raiser in
early January.
Press Releases:
A subcommittee on media and public affairs assembled a list of press
releases and studies which can be timed to one released to the media per
day, in order to fully maintain the high profile of the gun control issue.
We don't want to lose the momentum initiated by the massacre in Long Island,
however, many local news organizations have been very active in keeping the
gun control issue resolutely in view, without any assistance from us. Be
sure to call the various station managers and news services to express your
D-Day is in January 1994. . .
This month will be crucial to swaying votes for Sen. Feinstein's Assault
Weapon Ban. Once this passes, we will see the beginning of a landslide
which the NRA thugs will not be able to stop, or their few pawns in Congress
be able to filibuster.
Thanking our friends . . .
A subcommittee will draft a letter of support to Rep. Charles Schumer and
offer additional materials that we have collated for his use in testimony
and press conferences. A special press conference was proposed in order
to thank various State politicians for their support for stricter gun
control. The subcommittee urged HCI members to maintain the current high
visibility of the gun control issue

[pg 1]

and remember to praise President Clinton and Attorney General Janet
Reno for their political courage for standing up to the old boy network

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of the Gun Lobby. Special praise to Senator Diane Fienstien was
mentioned for her courage in standing up to the ever diminishing number
of gun crazy extremists who are actually pushing to make our society a
killing field.


* Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets.

* Ban on all semiautos which can fire more than 6 bullets without

* Ban of possession of parts to convert arms into military

* Ban on all pump shotguns capable of being converted to more than
5 shots without reloading.

* Banning of all machine guns, destructive devices, short shotguns/
rifles, assault weapons, Saturday Night Specials and Non-Sporting

* Arsenal Licensing (for possession of multiple guns and large
amounts of ammunition).

* Elimination of the Department of Civil Marksmanship, long
considered a sacred cow and a dinosaur from the Cold War years
(Thank you Mr. Clinton!!!).

* Ban on possession of a firearm within a home located within 1000
feet of a schoolyard.

* Ban on all realistic replicas/toy guns or non-firearms capable of
being rendered realistic.

* The right of victims of gun violence to sue manufacturers and
dealers to be affirmed and perhaps, aided with money from
government programs.

* Taxes on ammo, Dealers licenses & guns to offset the medical costs
to society.


* the eventual ban of all semi-automatics (regardless of when made or


After the meeting, the following ideas were the result of a
brainstorming session to guide the focus of gun control initiatives
over the next five years. These may not be politically feasible
ideas for 1994, but we are confident that with continued pressure we
can achieve most if not all of these goals within the next five
years. The following list is condensed from our meeting in which

[pg 2]

we considered the best ideas for public safety expansion. The time
is right for action.



1 National Licensing of all Handgun purchase
This is at the top of our list, however, the political climate may
be right to initiate this step immediately. Please refer to our
memo outlining our ideas on how this should be executed.

2 License for Rifle and Shotguns
We should take our cues from Great Britian. Strict licensing
should be mandatory for all firearms, whether handguns or not.

3 State Licenses for ownership of firearms
We want to take a workable idea from Great Britian, whereas, we
should require the states to issue strict licenses for possession
and require the licenses to be signed by at least three public
officials - i.e. the police chief, the city attorney and the mayor,
for example, to eliminate ownership by dangerous individuals. It
is reasonable to require that all individuals must prove to the
signers that they require a firearm. This should be attached to
any legislation required purchasers to show a need for a firearm.

4 Reduction of the number of guns to require an Arsenal license
Right now the proposed Arsenal licenses which Senator Fienstien
should be pushing for, requires an "Arsenal License" for those
people who feel they need more than 20 guns and 1000 rounds of
ammunition. We feel that number is too generous, due to the fact
that any number of guns constitutes a grave threat to the safety
of the community, we suggest strongly that this license limit
be reduced to possession greater than 5 guns and 250 rounds of

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5 Arsenal License Fees
It is not unreasonable to require a yearly fee for an Arsenal
license to be at least $300.00, with a cap of $1000.00. The money
collected can be used to defray the immense medical costs directly
attributed to these deadly weapons.

6 Limits on Arsenal Licensing
No Arsenal Licensing to be permitted in counties with populations
of more than 200,000.

[pg 3]

7 Requirement of Federally Approved Storage Safes for all guns
We should follow Great Britian's lead on this. All licensed gun
owners should be required to have a storage safe which meets
minimum federally mandated requirements. This step would reduce
the tragic accidents which claim the lives of tens of thousands
of children a year and make it more difficult for burglars to
steal the guns.

8 Inspection License
Another good revenue source would be mandatory inspection
licensing of all safes. Each safe would be registered with a
specific serial number and the serial numbers and types of weapons
stored should be on file with federal and state authorities.
Since unannounced inspectors can insure that all declared weapons
are being properly stored, all safe licenses should have an
additional yearly fee to offset the cost of these spot inspections.

Public Safety Regulations:

9 Ban on Manufacturing in counties with a population of more than
Guns are being built all the time and the number of licensed
manufacturers are too great to justify the threat to public safety.
This is a small step to reduce the number of these shops where
anything, even machine guns, are being built every day.

10 Banning all military style firearms
The Pending National ban on all Assault Weapons, based on a point
system can be expanded to eventually cover any firearm with a
remotely military appearance. We feel that this aggressive
appearance appeals to the type of dangerous individuals who are a
definite threat to public safety. We hope that this point system
can eventually be expanded to high powered air guns and "paint
ball" weapons, which can inflict great damage, and with a little
effort can be converted to real guns.

11 Banning of any Machine Gun Parts or parts which can be used in
a Machine Gun.
Periodicals such as "The Shotgun News" particularly cater to
individuals which wish to build illegal machine guns. If Senator
Feinstein's courageous section of the crime bill is successful
in banning all machine guns, except for police and military, then
there would be no legitimate need for Machine Gun parts except to
build illegal weapons.

[pg 4]

12 Banning the carrying a firearm anywhere but home or target range
or in transit from one to the other.
We should institute a federal mandate to the states to strictly
regulate the carrying of a firearm.

13 Banning replacement parts (mfg, sale, possession, transfer,
installation) except barrel, trigger group.
Thousands of people are building illegal weapons every day. We
can put a dent in this by banning parts and parts kits, except
whose items like the barrel and trigger group, which are most
likely to wear out due to use.

14 Elimination of the Curio Relic list
A gun is a gun. Even an old gun can kill people. This is a
loop hole in the federal law which has allowed thousands of
dangerous weapons to be distributed unchecked. This regulation,
if enacted, would automatically eliminate the need for a Curio or
Relic collector's license. All handguns, rifles and shotguns would
fall into the same category as their modern counterparts.

15 Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms
Senator Moynihan has already proposed a tax or ban on .22 LR, 32
ACP, and 9mm ammo, however, it has been pointed out to us that there
is an extreme proliferation of high powered surplus rifles (i.e.
the Mosin-Nagant series and Enfield series) in which the wholesale
prices are as low as $45-$75. We suggest that to control the
proliferation of violence associated with the large numbers of these
types of weapons entering this country that we ban the importation
of their ammunition, 7.62x54R and .303 R surplus ammunition.

16 Eventual Ban of Handgun Possession
This may be closer to reality than many of us think. Handguns are
becoming increasingly unpopular and we think that within five years
we can enact a total ban on possession at the federal level.

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17 Banning of Any ammo that fits military guns (post 1945)
With the proliferation of high powered weapons, including semi-
automatics and automatics from World War II, we suggest following
the lead of Mexico, by prohibiting the sale, manufacture, possession
or transfer of any caliber fitting a military firearm in service
with a recognized military force after 1945.

[pg 5]

Ammunition and Explosives:

18 Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder which
would constitute more than the equivalent of 100 rounds of
With the bombing the World Trade Center, it has been made clear
that we must reinforce the above proposed regulation with this
additional notation. It is arguable that none has any real need to
have so much dangerous material on hand.

19 Ban on the possession of explosive powders of more than 1 kilogram
at any one time.
Gun nuts are notorious for circumventing the intent of the law, so
we can reinforce the above proposed regulation with this additional
notation. This additional language can be useful in preventing
"bomb-maker" and other dangerous individuals.

20 Banning of High Powered Ammo or Wounding ammo
In addition to the banning of military calibers, there is a
plethora of dangerous rounds which are too high powered for sporting
use. This includes the highest calibers of pistol and rifle
ammunition (of note are the monster calibers for rifles and pistols,
like the .50 caliber Desert Eagle Bullet). We should not forget
the lessons learned with the insidious Black Talon Ammo. Hollow
points, Glaser killing rounds and other types of ammunition designed
specifically for maiming should be prohibited.

21 A National License for Ammunition
This is an idea whose time has come. We should look at a Federal
License for purchasing of ammunition of all kinds. A special form
should be forwarded to a new federal office to track those who are
purchasing too much ammunition. Remember that a gun is useless
without ammunition.

22 Banning or strict licensing of all re-loading components
Ammunition regulation laws can be regularly bypassed by home loaders,
creating an underground cottage industry of ammo manufacture.
Possession or purchase of re-loading equipment and machines should
be restricted and those who wish to use specially loaded ammunition
can go to a federally licensed 're-loader'.

23 National Registration of ammunition or ammo buyers
Fees collected from the national licenses should go towards a
nationwide database of ammo buyers, with a possible background check
to eliminate the purchase of dangerous ammo by felons or mental

[pg 6]

24 Requirement of special storage safe for ammunition and licensing
Like the storage safe for guns, there should be a national
requirement for special safes to store ammo. These safes should
be tamper proof and fireproof and be registered themselves so that
on the spot inspections can be held. Again, the costs for these
inspections can be absorbed by the license fees.


25 Restricting Gun Ranges to counties with populations less than 200,000
The obvious threat to public safety of shooting ranges and stray
bullets has been lost on many states and counties. We can initiate
a federal mandate or incentives to get states to prohibit any kind of
shooting range within a county with a population of more than

26 Special Licensing of ranges
Those ranges which conform to the previous requirement should get
special licensing above and beyond that which is required now.
Additional each existing or new shooting range must get in writing
the permission of all property owners within a radius of seven miles.

27 Special Range Tax to visitors
Additional revenue can be a surtax on ranges, requiring the
collection of a minimum of $85.00 per visit per person. This can
be in addition to required membership fees, upon which the state
and local governments get a sizeable portion, to help defray the
immense cost of gun violence.

28 Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges
It has been suggested in the past that felons can acquire pistols
and other automatic weapons without a background check by renting
a gun on a target range. Deranged individuals are basically
being given a license to 'practice hunting humans' at these so
called 'sporting ranges'. We think that a national waiting period

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for gun rentals is yet another idea whose time has come.

Activities which promote Gun Violence

29 Banning Gun Shows
Illegal transfers and the sales of assault weapons and submachine
guns is a common event at these so called gun shows. A huge dent
can be made in the illegal trafficking of weapons by banning these
shows altogether.

[pg 7]

30 Banning of military reenactments
The questionable "historical" value of these events has escaped
public scrutiny for too long. Many of these so called historical
events are mere excuses for gun nuts to blast the countryside with
automatic weapons. What is to keep them from loading live bullets
and having those stray bullets kill innocent children? What lives
in the future will be lost due to this paramilitary training going
on right under our noses? We propose the prohibition of
Survivalist/paramilitary, World War I and World War II and Civil
War Re-enactments on federal land, and hope to encourage the states
to prohibit them from state and county lands as well.

31 Making unlawful the assembly of more than 4 armed individuals who
are not peace officers or military
Since most hunting parties consist of four, we recognize the need
to eliminate the currently legal assembly of shooters for
paramilitary training on private lands. This is just one good
suggestion for our elimination of the "gun culture" from the

32 Begin to curb hunting on all public lands.
Blood sports are an anathema to a civilized society, however, it has
been a political reality that the hunters and their ilk have too
strong of a strangle hold on Congress. We feel that the impending
defeat of high tech assault "killing machines" will open the door
to restrictions. With the diminishing number of hunters, we feel
that perhaps in five years we can open up much more of our country
to campers and hikers, and eliminate the threat to families out
camping, by looking at much more restrictions as to what parcels
of land will allow hunting. This will not infringe on sportsmen's
right to hunt on private land.

33 Making Gun Owners Records and Photos matter of public record
We would have to assemble a legal team, in order to investigate the
balance of the right to privacy and the right to safeguard public.
We fully endorse the photographing and fingerprinting of all gun
owners, however, these records are usually relegated to law
enforcement only. We think that it would be a good idea to make
these records public, so that the communities can have the knowledge
of who poses a danger to their community before disaster strikes.
We realize that this proposal would probably be controversial, thus
a long public affairs campaign would have to be initiated in order
to build public support and ease the transition of such an idea.
We feel that this idea has merit,

[pg 8]

and can be justified via the past publication of the names of water
wasters during the drought, customers for prostitution, and deadbeat
parents who are delinquent on child support.

34 Random Police Checks for Weapons (like sobriety checkpoints)
This idea was floated before in California in 1989, where some
thought it would be a great deterrent to gang related crimes for
police to do sweeps for gang weapons. Right now this idea may have
some resistance, however, the political climate can become right
to initiate these random vehicle stop and checks at all levels
and in all types of neighborhoods. If we continue to mainstream
the pressure we can make this a reality.


With all that is going on, who knows what is possible in the next
few years? With murders in the streets, and the public fed up,
and the once mighty thugs of the Gun Lobby whimpering in impotence
we have an opportunity to change the face of America for the better!
Previously we thought that it would take at least a century to
eliminate dangerous weapons and guns from the public hands, but now
with allies in the White House and Congress, we can accelerate this
trend, and make the barbaric NRA extinct!!! Here are some ideas to
consider for the long term:

Banning of military acoutrements
Essential to the Neanderthal gun culture are the typical military
clothing, camouflage, pouches, and gear, boots and other combat
gear. They euphemistically refer to this as 'militaria'.
Elimination of the future sale of these items will cripple the
culture of violence well into the 21st century.

Stricter guidelines for violence in television and the movies
We should look at the possibility of victims of violence by copying
an act on television and the movie or video screen, suing the makers

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of such shows for compensation to their suffering. If the industry
cannot regulate itself, we may have to eventually look at an
independent branch of government, to determine which scenes cause
more harm than good to the public and regulate the numbers of violent
acts portrayed.

[pg 9]

The total Elimination of arms from Society
We cannot survive into the 21st century unless we remember the need
to expand our wave to new thinking to the total disarmament of
America. With much of the public disarmed we can become more like
Great Britain, where we can also eliminate the need for much of our
police to be armed. This would take a long time, however, a
concerted public relations campaign can pressure local law
enforcement to give up their arms, when the time comes. Weapons,
would be still available to special units like SWAT or the military.

Control of Dangerous literature (Bomb making, machinegun conversions,
Too much irresponsible material is purportedly covered by the 1st
Amendment, however, the time will come when our nation has to agree
that some literature does not belong in a safe society, like
instruction manuals on how to kill, or how to make homemade
explosives, or nuclear bombs. We must realize that there can be
such as thing as too much freedom where such literature poses a
serious threat to the public safety.

1994 sounds the death knell for the bully tactics of the NRA and
the culture of violence in America!!

We are pressing on all fronts and much of this can become reality
sooner than we expect. With the loss of power and clout of the NRA
and their various smaller crony organizations crumbling to dust,
we can eliminate a 200 year old license to murder into history, and
enter the 21st century a safer place for our children and our
children's children.

[pg 10]

HCI - Confidential Document

Attachment 1:
Stamped Received Stamped CONFIDENTIAL
Signed 1/6/94

Confidential Information for use by Lobbyists or Senior Officers ONLY!

I. Proposed License Fees - 1994-1995 Gun Control Proposals

Fees based on calculated costs of records maintenance, centralized computer
system set up, cost of new computer and record keeping equipment,
administrative costs of new federal and state offices, cost of enforcement
and inspection, and calculated cost of gun violence to society.

These listings and the documentation used to calculate these suggested fee
schedules will be made available to Federal Law Enforcement Authorities and
the U.S. Dept. of the Treasury for review, when the time is right.
Additional material will be made available to key politicians when proposing
any fee related legislation. These suggestions will be instrumental in
determining the nature of future gun control legislation and proposals.


a) Handgun License Fees:
Year 1 to 2:
Program can begin at a relatively low cost to discourage non-compliance:
Suggested Fee Schedule: $50 - $75 annual fee

Year 3 to 4:
Fees would be raised to reflect the cost of enforcement and discourage new
Suggested Fee Schedule: $150 - $250 annual fee

Year 5 to 8:
If private ownership has not been prohibited by this time then fees can be
gradually increased to discourage private ownership:
Suggested Fee Schedule $550 - $625 annual fee

[pg 1]

b) Suggested penalties for non-compliance with licensing:
(Penalties would have to be formally outlined by state and federal lawmakers)
(a) Failure to acquire license
$1,000 / 6 mos in jail and revocation of ability to own firearms
(b) Failure to maintain license
$5,000 / 12 mos in jail and revocation of ability to own firearms
(c) Failure to turn over guns for destruction after lapse of license
$15,000 / 18 mos in jail and revocation of ability to own firearms

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Failure to re-new license or notify issuing authority of change of status
would be considered a felony. All firearms own would be then considered
contraband and could then be confiscated. State or local law enforcement
authorities would be prohibited from retaining or re-selling any confiscated
firearm. A record of destruction would have to be issued via common carrier
to the federal government not later than 60 days after confiscation.

c) Rifle & Shotgun License:
Program can begin at $30 or at a cost determined to maintain federal records
on ownership and registration.
Suggested Fee schedule: $30 - $148 annual fee

d) State Licensing of Firearms:
The states can collect revenue by initiating state license requirements.
The Dept. of Justice for each state will be responsible for initiating the
programs at the state level. The licensing fees would be relatively equal
with the federal fee requirements.
Suggested Fee schedule: $74 - $150 annual fee

e) Local Licensing of Firearms:
The U.S. Treasury Dept. should look into any legal precedent which will allow
the federal authorities to allow cities and towns to restrict ownership or
initiate licensing requirements, with the cost of each annual license to
reflect the cost of records maintenance and enforcement.
Suggested Fee schedule: $48 - $113 annual fee

[pg 2]

f) Arsenal License: (currently at 20 guns or 1000 rds of ammo)
Suggested Fee schedule: $300 - $1000 annual fee
Alternate Yearly Fee Schedule:
If guns owned exceed 20 - $200 per gun over the limit
If ammo qty exceeds 1000 - $100 per each 50 rounds over the limit
(Fees are flexible due to requirements of local law enforcement)

g) Suggested Penalty for Non-Compliance of Arsenal Licensing Law:
$5,000 / 8 mos in jail, confiscation of all firearms related property and the
revocation of ability to own firearms. (Final Disposition would have to be
determined by the Dept. of Justice and the state and federal legislatures)

h) Safe License:
Suggested Fee schedule : $228 - 392 annual fee
(Fees based on calculations of set up of computerized records keeping system,
enforcement and registration processing)

i) Ammunition Registration & License:
Suggested Fee schedule: $55 - $117 fee for license to buy ammunition
(fees based on calculations of set up of computerized records keeping system,
enforcement and registration processing)

j) Federal license for Re-Loading (or possession of re-loading equipment)
Suggested fee schedule: $130 - $175 annual fee

k) Ammunition Safe License Fee:
Suggested Fee schedule: $55 - $75 annual fee

l) Range license (New Federal License on Target, outdoor/indoor ranges)
Suggested Fee schedule: $12,100 - $15,500 annual fee

j) Range Tax Fee (imposed on Federally licensed gun ranges)
Suggested Fee schedule: $85 - $100 collected per person, per visit

[pg 3]

k) Inspection License: (Verifying the records of guns and storage)
This would defray the cost of inspection of firearms safes in businesses or
private homes)
Suggested Fee schedule: $588 - $678 annual fee

II. Suggestions which can be made immediately available to Key Politicians
and the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury:

a) Increase Dealers License (Federal Firearms License 01 and 02):
Suggested Fee schedule: $600 - $750 annual fee

b) Increased Title 1 Manufacturing Fees:
Suggested Fee schedule: $6,200 - $9,400 annual fee

c) Increased Title 2 Manufacturing Fees:
Suggested Fee schedule: $13,405 - $18,210 annual fee

III. An Estimate of the fiscal impact of the licensing of firearms ownership:

Worst Case: Best Case:
Federal Handgun License: $50 $625
Federal Rifle & Shotgun License: $30 $148
State Gun License Fee: $74 $150
Local Gun License Fee: $48 $113
Arsenal License Fee: $300 $1,000
Safe License Fee: $228 $392
Ammunition License Fee: $55 $117
Re-Loading License Fee: $130 $175
Ammo Safe License Fee: $55 $75

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Ammo Inspection Fee: $588 $678

Total Annual Cost: $1,558 $3,473

[pg 4]

This cost is not unreasonable, since it would offset considerably the
estimated $60 Billion dollars in medical and social costs related to gun
violence. If a gun enthusiast feels that he needs such firepower, it is not
unreasonable to require him to provide the money necessary to offset the cost
to society of such firepower. Ultimately such action would take the glamor
and attraction out of firearms ownership and decrease the numbers of gun
owners in the U.S. to a manageable number.

IV. Reduction of Gun Owner Population and Potential Yearly Revenue

The federal government estimates that around 65-75 Million Americans own
guns. These fees and the licensing requirements would allow us to take guns
out of the hands of an estimated 30 million unsuitable or ineligible
individuals. The fees for the remaining qualifying individuals would
additionally reduce the number to about 14 million gun owners. The estimated
federal and state revenue from such fee schedules would constitute a minimum
of $21.812 Billion Dollars (Worst Case) to an estimated $48,622 Billion
(Best Case) annually. Our eventual goal is to reduce the number of licensees
to zero. The revenue itself can be utilized to achieve this goal.

V. Possible Uses for the Revenue:

(A) Institute a mandatory national and comprehensive educational campaign in
the public schools (k-12) to de-glamorize guns and gun ownership and to tell
the truth about the 2nd Amendment (that it does not address an individual
right but a community right) and the years of NRA propaganda to the contrary.
(B) A well funded and concerted campaign to add credence to the calls for
eliminating the 2nd amendment entirely via constitutional amendment.
(C) Provide a revenue source for the cost of enforcement of the new laws by
Federal and State Law enforcement officials.
(D) Provide an offsetting monetary fund to provide medical services and
legal services to victims of gun violence.

[pg 5]

(E) Establish a nationwide system of toll free numbers for reporting
violators of the new gun restrictions and non-licensees. A certain sum may
be set aside for cash rewards for tips which result in conviction.

Additional Revenue sources listed:

Gun Related Activities:
Range License: $12,100.00 annual fee
Range Tax Fee: $85.00 collected per person, per visit
Gun Dealer License Fee: $600.00 annual fee
Title 1 Gun Mfg License Fee: $6,000.00 annual fee
Title 2 Gun Mfg License Fee: $13,400.00 annual fee

Revenue calculations concerning the above fees will depend on how the numbers
of gun ranges, gun range visitors, gun dealers, and gun manufacturers are
affected by the increased fees. It is not unreasonable to predict at least a
40% drop in these numbers by the end of the first year. And another 35% drop
the year after that.

VI. Legal action and possible new revenue sources
Pending issues to be given at the appropriate time to the LCAV office for
investigation as to feasibility, implementation and public reaction. At no
time should these suggestions be made public before we can ascertain the
current public reaction and provide the results of these studies to the LCAV
There are some ideas which are ahead of their time and would only be feasible
through a concerted P.R. campaign over the period of several years. A P.R.
campaign includes press releases, press conferences, direct lobbying and
constant pressure via the national media. We must change the way America
thinks in regards to guns and gunowners in order to achieve a safe society
for our children in the upcoming century. We realize that one cannot
implement every good idea overnight, however the following proposals have
been forwarded for investigation as to possible enaction within the next
few years. A continued P.R. campaign with the general public as well as the
legal and
[pg 6]

judicial community, will enable us to finally get ground breaking rulings
which can change the violent face of the American landscape for years to

Legal Point 1:
Making possible the suing of owners of guns, as a group, for monetary
compensation for victims of gun violence.
Once gun-owners in America have been identified through a verifiable source,
i.e. the pending national computer registry, it would be possible to seek
further compensation for the victims of gun violence through legal means.
As a group, the gun nuts would constitute an identifiable entity for class
action suits and other legal actions for compensation to the victims of gun

Legal Point 2:
Suing Gun Organizations under the RICO statute:

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It would be expected that gun groups and lobbying groups such as the NRA
would encourage non-compliance. Thus nationally recognized groups will be
technically "organizing to break the law". Once this can be proven, these
groups will be vulnerable to lawsuits based on the RICO statute and drained
of their financial resources through repeated legal action.

Legal Point 3:
Suing the makers of toy/replica guns, toy weapons and violent entertainment:
One of the purveyors of violence to society, companies which profit off of
violence would eventually be identified and made legally responsible for the
violent acts inspired by their products. A study would have to be created
to lind these companies to those actions taken as a result of their products.
There is already current pressure for the makers of toy guns, realistic or
not, to concentrate on safer toys which do not exploit violence. The threat
of legal action would convince many manufacturers and distributors that other
non-violence related toys would be more worthwhile to sell to the community.
Lawsuits against the makers of violent entertainment and violence related
recreational materials and toys, would make these companies and individuals
fiscally accountable for the cost to society incurred as a result of their
peddled merchandise. The items could include: Violent Video games,
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shows, movies, video tapes, water guns, super soakers, electronic noise guns,
replica guns, toy weapons like swords, batons, martial arts items.

Tort law as we know it may not have to under go a change in order the
facilitate these actions. As many people know it is not necessary to
actually win in order to affect change, since the constant threat of legal
action will induce change in the way people do business. People all know
that the real fiscal effect of repeated legal actions can bankrupt a peddler
of violence just as well as winning a large settlement.

Any additional ideas or proposals should be directed at our Washington D.C.
office for collation, investigation and discussion. Please maintain standard
security procedures when distributing sensitive documents between offices.
A routing slip should accompany each sealed document and the signature of all
readers should be legible, dated and timed.

At this time documents of this nature will not be distributed to now field
offices or allied political groups until their security measures can be

[pg 8]

[All 20 pages that were transcribed from are marked CONFIDENTIAL
by Handgun Control Incorporated and dated December 29, 1993]

If you want a hard copy of the original leave me a message at :

[email protected]

All I ask for is a SASE and a small contribution to pay for photocopying.

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