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HOMEBREW Digest #645 Mon 27 May 1991

Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

Final Gravity Calculation (John S. Link)
Supply info for a new brewer (RJS153)
Prelude to Release 1.0 (bob)
Release 1.0 (bob)
Digest No. 644 ("Dr. John")
Another looking for brewpubs (David Arnold)
step mash <-> infusion recipes (DAVID)
Hard Cider (hersh)
Keg Registration?! (Bill Thacker)
Head Retention Methods (S94TAYLO)
RE: Hunter AirStat /Cheap (Attilio Lee Menegoni)
mold, head (Bill Crick)
Re: ?? Brew head retention techniques ?? (Mike Charlton)
Subcription (James P Laird)
Information about Scotland needed (Lars Nilsson)

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Date: Fri, 24 May 91 7:40:48 EDT
From: [email protected] (John S. Link)
Subject: Final Gravity Calculation

How does one figure what the final gravity should be when your are not
following a recipe which provides this info?

This is my third batch. I've kept away from brewing for over a year
due to non-impressive results from the first two. I've been reading
the HBD to learn more.

Here is the highlights of what I've done:

5/18 - Made yeast starter. Boiled 2 cups M&F Pale DME in 2 quarts of
charcoal filtered water with 8 cascades hop pellets. Added water as needed
during boil. Added 1/3 pack of yeast nutrient/heading salts after
boil. Quick Cooled, added 14 gr Whitbred Ale yeast and placed in gallon
jug with air-lock.

5/20 - 3 1/2 gallon boil with charcoal filtered water and
- 2 tsp Water Salts (gypsum)
- 2 tsp water crystals (calcium and magnesium sulfates)
- 1 tsp Irish Moss
- 3 lbs John Bull Amber liquid malt extract - hopped
- 3 lbs M&F Amber DME
- 1 cup M&F Pale DME
- 1/2 oz Clusters pellets at start and 1/2 oz again 30 min.
- 1/4 oz cascade pellets at end.
- last bit of yeast nutrient/heading salts.

- Quick cooled to 78 degrees in 35 min.

- Original gravity was 1.046 adjusted to 1.048 for temp.

5/22 - Siphoned off primary into secondary. I hope the bubbles which
were forming inside the tube were CO2 and not O2 so oxidation is not a
problem. There were enough bubbles to stop the siphon 4 times. I'm
sure I kept the primary end of the tube below the surface. I also
kept the secondary below the surface to minimize oxidation. The
gravity reading at this time at 76 degrees was 1.022 adjusted to
1.024. It has a slight cidery taste with a lingering bite (hops?).

What is a reasonable final gravity for this and how do you figure it
out? Please feel free to critique, I need it.


John S. Link


Date: 24 May 91 07:46:39 EST
From: RJS153%[email protected]
Subject: Supply info for a new brewer

Hi All!

I just started getting this news group, and hopefully you guys can answer a
few questions for a rookie brewer. I'm in Dayton, OH and I'd like to start up
a homebrew operation. Does anyone know of a supplier of brewing equipment as
well as ingredients in SouthWest Ohio (Dayton-Cincinnatti-Columbus)? I'd also
like any information you have of mail-order type places for supplies. There
are sure to be more questions as I get started, but a friend of mine has convin
ced me that homebrewing is a very rewarding hobby. Thanks!

- --Randy Smith--


Date: Fri May 24 09:59:41 1991
From: [email protected]
Subject: Prelude to Release 1.0

Well, I've finally got it together...

Release 1.0 of "Points of Interest for The Beer Enthusiast (Eastern
Massachusetts)" is completed!

This is a list of Brewpubs, Breweries, Beer Bars, HomeBrew
Suppliers and Beer Stores in the Boston Area/Eastern Massachusetts.

There are only two Brewpubs and two Breweries so these sections
where easy to put together.

The Beer Bar list I limited to only bars with a decent selection
of interesting beer. I purposely left out many bars with "a nice
atmosphere and a good pint of Guiness". This was to keep the list
short and concise for the visiting tourist. Those establishments
marked with a (*) are favored by most local beer lovers.

The section on HomeBrew Suppliers is a complete list of shops in
the 508 and 617 area code, to the best of my knowledge. Every
brewer has their own favorites and I will make no distinctions as
to which stores are preferred.

The Beer Store list is what slowed me down. Obviously there are
many stores that sell a moderate selection of beer. The list that
is presented was taken from the suggestions of local area
homebrewers. I have first hand knowledge of only a few of them so
I did not make distinctions as to which might be the best to visit.
Any of them will surely lend to an armful of interesting malt
beverages. The list is surely not complete and is primarily
centered around Boston.

To enable me to get the first release out as soon as possible I
limited the contents to basic phone book information and hours of

Ideas for Release 2.0 can be found at the end of page 4. Any
comments on contents or layout for future releases would be
appreciated as well as input on your favorite Beer Bars and Beer

I would like to release a revised version of 1.0 before the AHA
conference, so your timely input would be most appreciated.


- -- Robert A. Gorman (Bob) [email protected] Watertown MA US --
- -- Relational Semantics, Inc. uunet!semantic!bob +1 617 926 0979 --


Date: Fri May 24 09:59:42 1991
From: [email protected]
Subject: Release 1.0

Points of Interest for The Beer Enthusiast (Eastern Massachusetts)
Release 1.0 May 1991 Page 1

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The Cambrigde Brewing Company Hours: Mon-Fri 12:00 to 11:00
1 Kendall Square Sat 12:00 to 1:00
Cambridge, MA Sun 12:00 to 12:00
(617) 494-1994

The Commonwealth Brewing Company Hours: Mon-Fri 11:30 to 12:00
138 Portland Street Sat 11:20 to 12:30
Boston, MA Sun 1:00 to 9:00
(617) 523-8383 Tours: Sat-Sun 3:30

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The Boston Beer Company Tours: Thu,Sat 2:00
30 Germania Street
Boston, MA 02130
(617) 522-9080

Mass Bay Brewing Company Tours: Fri-Sat 1:00
306 Northern Avenue
Boston, MA
(617) 574-9551

Beer Bars
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Blackthome Tavern Hours: Mon-Fri 11:30 to 12:30
402 Turnpike Street Sat-Sun 5:00 to 12:30
South Easton, MA
(508) 238-9017

Cornwall's (*) Hours: Mon-Sun 11:30 to 2:00
510 Commonwealth Avenue
Kenmore Square
Boston, MA
(617) 262-3749

Doyle's (*) Hours: Mon-Sun 9:00 to 1:00
3484 Washington Street
Jamaica Plain, MA
(617) 524-2345

The Green Brior Hours: Mon-Sun 11:00 to 1:00
304 Washington Street
Brighton, MA
(617) 789-4100

Jacob Wirth's Hours: Mon-Fri 11:30 to 11:00
31 Stuart Street Sat-Sun 11:30 to 12:30
Boston, MA
(617) 338-8586

Points of Interest for The Beer Enthusiast (Eastern Massachusetts)
Release 1.0 May 1991 Page 2

The Seven's Ale House Hours: Mon-Sat 11:30 to 12:00
77 Charles Street Sun 12:00 to 12:00
Beacon Hill
Boston, MA
(617) 523-9074

The Sunset Grill & Tap (*) Hours: Mon-Sat 11:30 to 1:30
130 Brighton Avenue Sun 10:00 to 1:30
Allston, MA
(617) 254-1331

Woodley's Hours: Mon-Sun 5:00 to 12:30
2067 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA
(617) 576-2240
[Basement of Tapa's]

The Wursthaus Hours: Mon-Sun 7:30 to 12:00
Harvard Square
4 JFK Street
Cambridge, MA
(617) 491-7110

HomeBrew Suppliers
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BarleyMalt & Vine Hours: Tue-Fri 12:00 to 7:30
Dave Ruggiero Sat 10:00 to 5:00
4 Corey Street
West Roxbury, MA 02132
(617) 327-0089

Beer & Wine Hobby Hours: Mon-Thu 10:00 to 6:00
Karin Baker Fri-Sat 10:00 to 5:00
180 New Boston Street
Woburn, MA 01801
(617) 933-8818

The Modern Brewer Hours: Wed-Thu 12:00 to 8:00
Jeff Pzena Fri 12:00 to 7:00
2304 Massachusetts Avenue Sat 11:00 to 5:00
Cambridge, MA 02140
(617) 868-5580

New England Home Beer & Wine Supply Hours: Tue-Fri 12:00 to 6:00
Don O'Connor Sat 12:00 to 5:00
501 Worcester Road
Framingham, MA 01701
(508) 875-1414

The Village Store Hours: Mon-Sat 10:00 to 5:00
999 Main Road
Westport, MA 02790
(508) 636-2572

Points of Interest for The Beer Enthusiast (Eastern Massachusetts)
Release 1.0 May 1991 Page 3

The Witches Brew Hours: Tue-Fri 4:00 to 6:00
Bob Stocks Sat 10:00 to 5:00
25 Baker Street
Foxboro, MA
(508) 543-2950

Beer Stores
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Beacon Hill Wine & Spirits Hours: Mon-Tue 10:00 to 10:00
63 Charles Street Wen-Sat 10:00 to 11:00
Boston, MA
(617) 742-8571

Blanchard's Hours: Mon-Sat 9:00 to 11:00
103 Harvard Street
Brighton, MA
(617) 782-5588

Coloniel Spirits Hours: Mon-Sat 9:00 to 10:00
69 Great Road
Acton, MA
(508) 263-7775

Downtown Wine & Spirits Hours: Mon-Sat 8:00 to 11:00
Davis Square
225 Elm Street
Somerville, MA
(617) 625-7777

Gordon's Liquors Hours: Mon-Thu 8:00 to 10:00
Main Street Fri-Sat 8:00 to 11:00
Waltham, MA 02154
(617) 893-1900

Kappy's Liquors
(800) 287-9463

Macy's Liquors Hours: Mon-Wen 8:00 to 10:00
1826 Center Street Thu-Sat 8:00 to 11:00
West Roxbury, MA
(617) 325-9200

MacKinnon's Liquors Hours: Mon-Thu 8:30 to 9:00
5 Concord Road Fri-Sat 8:30 to 10:00
Sudbury, MA
(508) 443-6411

Martignetti Liquors Hours: Mon-Thu 9:00 to 10:00
1650 Soldier's Field Road Fri-Sat 9:00 to 11:00
Brigton, MA
(617) 782-3700

Marty's Liquors Hours: Mon-Sat 9:00 to 11:00
193 Harvard Avenue
Brighton, MA
(617) 782-3250

Points of Interest for The Beer Enthusiast (Eastern Massachusetts)
Release 1.0 May 1991 Page 4

Marty's Liquors Hours: Mon-Sat 9:00 to 11:00
675 Washington Street
Newton, MA
(617) 332-1230

Star Market Hours: Mon-Sat 9:00 to 11:00
699 Mount Auburn Street
Cambridge, MA
(617) 876-1450

Wine & Cheese Cask Hours: Mon-Thu 10:00 to 10:00
Beacon Street Fri-Sat 10:00 to 10:45
Somerville, MA
(617) 623-8656

Winecellar of Silene Hours: Mon-Fri 11:00 to 7:00
320 Bear Hill Road Sat 9:30 to 5:00
Waltham, MA 02154
(617) 890-2121

Winecellar of Silene Hours: Mon-Fri 10:00 to 7:00
Copley Square Sat 9:30 to 5:00
430 Stuart Street
Boston, MA 02116
(617) 424-9300

Future Enhancements
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Brewer products
Draft beer selection
Bottle beer notes
Food notes
Dinner hours
Short reviews
Expand beer bar list
Expand beer store list
Expand to western Mass

Comments-To: Bob Gorman +1 617 893-5655



Date: Fri, 24 May 91 09:22:38 EDT
From: "Dr. John"
Subject: Digest No. 644

A few comments regarding the contents of today's digest (#644) seem in

John DeCarlo asks about culturing yeast from bottled weizens

I can't provide any counter-example, all that I've heard and read indicates
that, at least the German Hefe-Weizens, are filtered and then pitched with
a bottom fermenting yeast prior to bottling. As to Grant's weiss (sic) beer
I think that they do indeed filter it prior to bottling, if there is a sediment
in it I think it may be something other than yeast (I may be wrong here but I
don't think Grant's does any bottle-conditioned beers).

Bruce Hoylman weighed in with an interesting question regarding various factors
which may affect head formation/retention.

As to the druidic chants, we can only hope that Martin (if it's good enough
for Druids . . .) Lohdahl can provide some help. As to the more mundane
approaches, crystal malt is reputed to help out head retention, but will
definitely sweeten, and add a caramel note to, your brews if used in any
appreciable quantity; this is definitely not appropriate for some of the
drier styles. If you are willing to do a partial mash you could use a couple
pounds of malted barley augmented with a half-pound of either cara-pils or
malted wheat (either of which should help out in the head department).
Are you using sugar in your brews? Too much sugar is detrimental to head
formation and retention, all-malt beers generally produce a good and reasonably
long-lasting head.
I'm sure that the temperature of the beer at pouring has an effect, as more
CO2 is held in solution at colder temperatures; but I'll leave the full
explanation of this phenomenon to the more erudite correspondents.
You might consider priming with wort rather than sugar when bottling, in my
experience this makes for a creamier head (composed of tiny bubbles which seem
to last longer).
For your stout you might consider using some flaked barley (1/2 pound or so)
in a partial mash. The proteins in it add to the heading qualities and any
haze they might create would be unnoticeable in a stout.
Well I've rambled enough, and I'm sure that any misinformation I've imparted
will be corrected by others.

Frank Jones asked about a mash recipe for a McEwan clone,

If you get one I'd sure appreciate a copy, presuming you are talking about
the dark, faintly smoky, delicious stuff we get in the bottle here in the U.S.

Pete Soper asks "what is an IBU"

As of May 7 it is the "Ithaca Brewers Union" as we changed our club's name,
but I presume you are referring to International Bittering Units, and you will
find articles on the subject in the Zymurgy special issue on hops.
In particular, there is an article in this issue by Jackie Rager which gives
several IBU-related formulae. If you consult this source beware, a close
examination of the examples is required in order to make some transformations
to the general formulae so that they give the desired results. It isn't
always clear just what units (and how they are measured or transformed) are
required when you read the conceptual presentations of the formulae. Sorry to
keep ragging on Zymurgy, but it seems that they need to pay a bit more
attention to technical detail when they have equations and formulae in their
articles. Thankfully, there are usually examples in these technical articles
which give enogh computational details to allow the interested reader to make
the necessary corrections to the notation necessary to arive at the
desired results. But it would be nice to be able to use the stuff as it is
presented and get the right sorts of answers the first time.


Dr. John


Date: Fri, 24 May 91 09:22:36 CDT
From: Fritz Keinert

In digest 644, (Rob) asks

>> Well, my in-laws have gone to Europe, but they couldn't find the beers
>> I requested, so they're bringing me some Jaegermeister. I've heard
>> various rumors regarding the ingredients of this; could someone shed
>> some light on the subject?

Jaegermeister is a sweet herb liqueur. The exact ingredients are
probably secret, unless you can find some on the bottle. The main
ingredient is definitely sugar, followed by many, many secret herbs
and spices.

I have seen it sold in this country, too, in several places. It is
quite good in small doses, if you like liqueurs, but don't ever get
drunk on it. I got the most vicious hangover from it that I have ever
had. Twice, actually; I should have known better after the first time.

There is absolutely no relation between beer and Jaegrmeister, other
than that they both contain alcohol.

"Jaegermeister" means "master of the hunters". The bottle has a deer
with big antlers on the front.



Date: Fri, 24 May 91 10:29:52 EDT
From: David Arnold
Subject: Another looking for brewpubs

Howdy folks,

After seeing the posts for just about every city in the US, I haven't
noticed one for the Washington D.C./Baltimore MD area. Do any brewpubs
exist in this corridor? While we're at it, how about Philadelphia, PA?

There are a few places where you can get decent brews; the Brickskeller
in Washington has a good selection, but it's been yeeeears since I've been
there. The Olney Ale House in Olney, MD has a variable but good selection
of beers, and Guiness, Oxford, and Genessee 12-Hourse (for hot summer days)
on tap. Also, Oliver's Saloon in Laurel MD has an Oliver's Lager on tap
which is pretty good (brewed somewhere in NY state). Any other suggestions?

David Arnold

Inet: [email protected]
UUCP: uunet!!davida


Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 10:55:55 EDT
From: [email protected] (DAVID)
Subject: step mash <-> infusion recipes

Hi folks,

I am currently not set up to do step mashes (and won't be for a while) and
it seems that the ratio of step to infusion recipes I see is about 10:1. Is
there a pretty reasonable way to convert recipes using step mash to
infusion or am I simply limited by the types of grains I can use? I've got
a Gott picnic cooler mash/lautertun and I'm also wondering if it is
feasable to do a step mash using this by simply adding different temp
water or if it is necessary to have a heat source. Thanks for any help.

David Poore
[email protected]


Date: Fri, 24 May 91 12:13:14 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Hard Cider

One more time, for those interested I have put together a little
history/synopsis of my few years experience with a number of approaches to
making the product. For a copy send e-mail to [email protected]
and I'll send you something out. If there are enough questions /interest
I will consider setting up a mailing list.



Date: Fri, 24 May 91 9:50:25 EDT
From: Bill Thacker
Subject: Keg Registration?!

This came across another mailing list I subscribe to, and it seemed of
interest to homebrewers, as well.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Bill Thacker AT&T Network Systems - Columbus [email protected]

Forwarded message:

> Date: Thu, 23 May 91 17:40:04 MDT
> From: [email protected] (James Kirkpatrick)
> Subject: Keg Registration?!
> To: [email protected]
> Not only do folks want to register firearms:
> "Green River council moves keg registration law to final reading"
> Green River, Wyo. (AP) -- ...
> Green River's city council on Tuesday approved in its second reading
> the ordinance seen as a tool for police to help them track the
> purchasers of beer that might be consumed by those under the age of 21.
> ...
> The ordinance would require Green River liquor dealers to put
> numbered labels on kegs to keep records on kegs purchased and their buyers.
> The labels would identify both the seller and the buyer and would allow
> police to trace the buyer of kegs and investigate possible charges of
> furnishing alcohol to a minor.


Date: Fri, 24 May 91 16:09 EST
Subject: Head Retention Methods

I know of three ingredient factors that will improve head and head retention:
All malt brewing (and that means no corn sugar, even for priming)-Leads to
tiny little bubbles (in my beer...makes me happy...makes me full of
cheer...), which will make a creamier head.
Crystal malt-I believe the residual, unfermentable sugars from crystal make the
beer more sticky or viscous or something, but tends to develop fairly
slowly. Mine take about 1 month to fully develop.
Hops-Some component in the hop oil gives the beer head retention. Some kind
of detergent, coming from oil I would guess some kind of phospholipid.

All these attempts will be futile if your apparatus from brew pot to bottles
is not very clean. Any oils will kill the detergent action of the hops (try
drinking a big head beer with greasy potato chip lips), and other forms of
detergents (like Cascade or Ivory liquid) will counteract the hop action.
I have good success with these simple techniques.

Al Taylor
Uniformed Services University
School of Medicine
Bethesda, Maryland
[email protected]


Date: 24 May 91 16:20:27 EST
From: Attilio Lee Menegoni
Subject: RE: Hunter AirStat /Cheap

RE: Hunter Air Stat $19.95 @Builders Square:

The current Builders Square sales circular, for NH at least, has the Hunter
Air Stat for $19.95. This price is good until May 28th at least, which may
be the day you see this. The picture in the ad suggests that this device is
used to control an air conditioner, it shows an AC plug for standard house

Brew Free or Die
Lee Hudson NH


Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 12:00:37 -0400
From: hplabs!bnr-vpa!bnr-rsc!crick (Bill Crick)
Subject: mold, head

Someone mentioned haveing to throw out a batch because it got some mold on
it before he pitched. You don't necessarily have to toss it. What have you got
to lose by fermenting it? I had a batch that had some mold on it once.
I skimmed it off, and went ahead with it. The beer tasted good, and
forgetting about the mold, I entered it in a tasting. It won!!!!!
It was only when I went back to my book to supply info on the beer to the
tasting participants, that I found the reference to the mold.
I forget whether I told them about it, but I think i did;-)

Finding good head, and making it last a long time. -> Think about baseball;-0
Seriously, adding a bit of malted wheat, wheat flakes, or shredded wheat
can improve head formation, and retention. The wheat has more of the
head forming protiens that barley has.
Most heading liquids, or powders are basically edible soap? 😛
IF you try some, use it in moderation. I once tried some heading powder, at
about 1/8th of the recommended dosage, and the effect was pretty dramatic.

Bill Crick Brewuis, Ergo Sum!


Date: Fri, 24 May 91 16:42:05 CST
From: [email protected] (Mike Charlton)
Subject: Re: ?? Brew head retention techniques ??

>What methods/ingredients/drewid chants are useful if I want to create
>a brew that has a good head of foam when poured (cold or warm) ...
>definitely one that is thick and creamy (or otherwise)? I'm looking
>for some input as to ways to toy with the head retention properties of
>brew, so if you could phrase your responses in the terms of "This
>method does this to brew head" and "This ingredient produces this type
>of brew head" and "This chant on this day with this animal draped
>about your shoulders produces this type of brew foam ..." these would
>be ideal.

I've had real problems with head retention as well. Here are a few pointers
I have found out in my search for improving head retention. I'll leave
out the stuff about protein rests and mashing in wheat since you are
an extract brewer.

1. Use only FRESH leaf or compressed hop plugs. These types of hops
apparently help promote head retention. If you can't get good
hops locally, then I suggest mail order (Freshhops is good for
the limited supply they carry). Also high alpha acid hops are
supposed to be best for head retentive qualities (more hop resins).

2. Ferment at a low temperature. This sounds a bit iffy to me, but
Terry Foster mentions this in his book "Pale Ale" and looking back
at my brews I do note a reasonable probability for correlation.

3. If you are adding specialty grains, make sure they are taken out
before the boil starts. This is because you may leech out tannins
that will cause the medium weight proteins and albumins to
precipitate out. This can cause lack of head retention.

That's all I can think of right now (actually I'm surprised I can think at
all after the day I've had). Anyway, I hope this helps. I should point out
that I'm still searching for the perfect head, so perhaps the above is
not really worth looking at. Then again, I guess it can't hurt.

Mike Charlton


Date: Sun, 26 May 91 6:04:31 EDT
From: James P Laird
Subject: Subcription

Please subscribe [email protected] to the
homebrew list. Thanks, Jim


Date: Sun, 26 May 91 15:00:03 MET DST
From: [email protected] (Lars Nilsson)
Subject: Information about Scotland needed

Attention: Connoisseurs of Beer/Ale and Homebrewers.

I'm going on a holiday to Scotland this summer ,
the hotel is in Ayr in the county of Ayrshire.
We will visit Glascow,Edinburgh and some other larger cities.

Here is some questions.

1. Name some good Scottish Beers/Ales

2. Is there some especially fine Pubs in the areas I will visit ?

3. Is there some breweries that is open to visitors ?

4. Is there some shops with homebrew equipment in the area ?

/Lars Nilsson/

- --
Lars Nilsson
Technical Support
Ericsson Telecom AB , Stockholm - Sweden
Systems Integration

E-mail: [email protected]
Phone: +46 8 719 7308 , Fax: +46 8 645 60 76


End of HOMEBREW Digest #645, 05/27/91

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