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ID:WN Windows and Windows Applications
Quarterdeck Technical Note #157 Filename: WINDOWS.TEC
by Stan Young CompuServe: WIN2.TEC
Last revised: 3/13/92 Category: SW3

Subject: How to run Microsoft Windows 2.0, runtime versions of MS Windows,
MS Windows/386, and MS Windows application with DESQview and
QEMM-386. Does not cover MS Windows 3.0

Note: This technote covers only Windows 2, Windows 386 and Windows Runtime
applications. If you are interested in running Windows 3 with Quarterdeck
products, obtain our WIN3.TEC technote.

*** QEMM-386 4.2 ***

Using QEMM-386 4.2 with Microsoft Windows 2.1 and EXCEL 2.1 If you have
QEMM.SYS in your CONFIG.SYS file, Windows 2.1 will refuse to install itself.
We have not found a conflict, so you should try to overcome this restriction.
One way to do this is to edit your CONFIG.SYS file so that the line:

DEVICE=QEMM.SYS {with existing switches} says instead:

REM DEVICE=QEMM.SYS {existing switches} EXT=64

Install Windows normally and then edit the QEMM line of the CONFIG.SYS file to
remove the REM statement before QEMM.SYS. If the Windows installation has
added a device called HIMEM.SYS to your CONFIG.SYS file, move the line that
specifies the HIMEM.SYS driver so that it loads after QEMM.SYS. You SHOULD
NOT reboot the machine, so Windows install will see that you have expanded
memory. It is enough that the REM statement is put before the QEMM line.
After you install Windows, be sure to remove the REM statement.

QEMM-386 and Windows 386

Windows 386 and QEMM-386 are not compatible. This is because Windows 386 does
its own memory management of the memory above 640K. You may, however, run
QEMM-386 with Windows 286 or Windows Run-time programs (such as PageMaker) on
a 386 machine and Windows 286 can take full advantage of the memory provided
by QEMM. Operation in this fashion provides expanded memory for programs
whether they are running in Windows or not, while providing full support for
Windows 286's desire for EMS 4.0 compatible memory. The WIN86.COM program
provided with Windows 386 is a subset of Windows 286 and can be run with QEMM-

Using QEMM-386 4.2 with Microsoft Windows 2.03

Microsoft Windows 2.03 cannot tolerate more than 1 mappable area larger than
48K, between 640K and 1MB. Use the QEMM.COM program to see what areas are
available above A000. If more than one area larger than 48K is "Mappable",
then you will need to use either the EXCLUDE or RAM parameter to keep QEMM
from reporting more than 1 area larger than 48K to Windows. It's not
necessary to EXCLUDE or RAM all of the memory, just enough to make the
mappable memory sizes less than 48K. If you don't do this, Windows will start
but will not run any programs.

*** DESQview 2.2 ***

Running Windows 286 in DESQview:

First, you will want to set up Windows so that it does not implement the
HIMEM.SYS driver. This is because the same memory area that is used by
Windows to obtain 60K of extra usable memory will be used by QEMM to give 60K
of extra memory for ALL windows, not just the Windows window, so it makes
sense to have QEMM manage this memory. To bypass Window's use of the
HIMEM.SYS driver, you should install Windows as shown above and when it comes
to the section of the Windows install where it asks if you "want to use
extended memory for Windows", answer "No". Windows will not install the
HIMEM.SYS driver.

Your CONFIG.SYS file would not require the "EXT=64" parameter as shown above,
since the memory for HIMEM.SYS need not be reserved.

It is also possible to simply remove the HIMEM.SYS driver from your CONFIG.SYS
driver without reinstalling Windows. When started in this fashion, Windows
will always report an error message saying "Your memory configuration has
changed...", but you can simply hit escape to continue, with no further

In a sense, Windows and Windows applications run in DESQview windows just as
any other large graphics based applications do and their installation can be
approached from that standpoint. Only Windows 286 (not Windows 386) can be run
in DESQview, and it is important that Windows be operating in a display mode
that is supported by DESQview's video drivers and that you are able to open a
window with sufficient memory (approximately 450K), but those are the only

Windows and many Windows applications are not shown as selections on the
DESQview Add a Program menu, but can be easily configured by adding the
"PageMaker" entry from Add a Program and then using Change a Program,
modifying the "Program Name", "Program" and "Directory" fields to be correct
for the specific application. All other settings should be correct.

Please also note that you should use the "Maximum Expanded Memory" field in
Change a Program to limit the amount of expanded memory the Windows
application can take, or it will take it all. This will cause unnecessary
swapping to disk, even on systems with large amounts of memory. Judging the
amount to set as maximum depends on the size of the data you have, but you
should be able to determine this by running the program and loading your
largest data file and see how much it takes.


Windows 2.1 Runtime

The runtime version of Windows 2.1 which comes with some Windows specific
applications searches the path for WIN.COM and if it finds it loads the full
copy of Windows. This will be a problem when running QEMM or DESQview if the
WIN.COM it finds is Windows 386, for the reasons stated above. If you have
this problem, rename the file WIN.COM to WIND.COM. This will allow your
runtime programs to load properly.


Hint for loading Windows applications

Windows applications which don't come with a Windows run-time normally have to
be run from the Windows MS-DOS executive. This makes an extra step when
loading, taking time and creating extra overhead (for the Executive). It
appears you can load faster, and preserve more memory for the application, by
using a little-known and perhaps undocumented loading method. Windows
supports loading directly into an application without loading the MS DOS
Executive as follows:

WIN :C:\PROGRAM\progname.exe

assuming the application was program.exe and the directory was C:\PROGRAM.
The key seems to be that the parameter starts with a colon.

This makes particular sense when loading the programs in DESQview windows,
because it allows the programs to load directly, just like other graphics
programs. To load in this fashion in a DESQview window, the "Program" field
would be WIN.COM and the "Parameters" field would be :C:\PROGRAM\program.exe.

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